The sigh of relief at the beginning of the week could be heard around the world: Since Brazil decided not to elect rainforest destroyer Jair Bolsonaro as president, hope is once again budding in the climate community. Whether his predecessor and successor Lula can save the Amazon rainforest, however, also depends on Europe, financial aid and supply chains without products from overexploitation, says Brazil’s most renowned climate researcher Carlos Nobre in our interview.